tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post114107838156893741..comments2024-03-25T05:18:17.152-03:00Comments on Timothy Ministry: Soapbox Smashed, Nearly BeatenElihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08568073345901129214noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1143090095599795242006-03-23T01:01:00.000-04:002006-03-23T01:01:00.000-04:00Eli,Give thanks for these guys who love you enough...Eli,<BR/>Give thanks for these guys who love you enough to be the "iron" who sharpens your iron. Recognize the value of their willingness to hold you accountable. It's a valuable gift to have friends that love you enough to share the truth...even when it's harsh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1142477391486049562006-03-15T22:49:00.000-04:002006-03-15T22:49:00.000-04:00I need to correct one of my paragraphs above:"But ...I need to correct one of my paragraphs above:<BR/><BR/>"But certainly no one would advocate that if people reject the truth based on the method of presentation, this is a tragedy that could have been avoided and is the fault of the presenter."<BR/><BR/>should read:<BR/><BR/>But certainly no one would advocate that if people reject the truth based on the method of presentation, this is a tragedy Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1142477103720057922006-03-15T22:45:00.000-04:002006-03-15T22:45:00.000-04:00Ricky Earle, 1. With regards to Eli's fellowship,...Ricky Earle, <BR/><BR/>1. With regards to Eli's fellowship, and the extent of his submissiveness: If you read other posts I have made, you will see where I clearly argue for church involvement and accountability. Local church involvement is key to successful ministry.<BR/><BR/>2. Your argument against my claims is clearly falacious. You accuse me of being erroneous on grounds that it is God Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141925100692066822006-03-09T13:25:00.000-04:002006-03-09T13:25:00.000-04:00Ricky said: "Personally I think y'all that are in ...Ricky said: <I>"Personally I think y'all that are in Fredericton and replying to all these posts should all meet up and hug each other, then go out together to be a witness for Jesus Christ in your city to save souls."</I><BR/><BR/>Amen!Elihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08568073345901129214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141870370924008742006-03-08T22:12:00.000-04:002006-03-08T22:12:00.000-04:00Logic I am not sure why you need to know so much w...Logic I am not sure why you need to know so much where Eli's fellowship is and to what extent his submissiveness lies. <BR/><BR/>As well, the comment you made "I truly hope you defend the gospel more effectively and do not cause potential believers to run in the other direction as I suspect is often the case." I believe is very erroneous. The Word says no man comes to the Son unless the Father Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141696426149122042006-03-06T21:53:00.000-04:002006-03-06T21:53:00.000-04:00Eli:The reason you find yourself further away from...Eli:<BR/><BR/>The reason you find yourself further away from your Christian friends is not due to getting closer to God. The reason is that you 1) Come of as though you think yourself to be pulling away from the lukewarmness of the common man (meaning the rest of us) and 2) You do not heed any type of advice or criticism that any of us gives.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps if you were not so arrogant as to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141402353852624902006-03-03T12:12:00.000-04:002006-03-03T12:12:00.000-04:00Brother, I would love more than anything to speak ...Brother, I would love more than anything to speak face to face with you, and anyone else. I only wish we did in the past. If Matt had a problem with me before, should he not have spoken to me about it?<BR/><BR/>Well brother, who is at fault here, honeslty, can you tell me? If it is me I take full and total responsibilty. But like I have said, I have only sincerely sought the Lord fervently. I Elihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08568073345901129214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141401231311876522006-03-03T11:53:00.000-04:002006-03-03T11:53:00.000-04:00Eli,you have to trust me when I tell you that ther...Eli,<BR/>you have to trust me when I tell you that there is nothing about what you are doing or saying that is making me at all jealous. I believe that is what your recent post addresses. Seeing as how you tell us not to judge you based on what some of us have seen in the past (greenhill lake camp - I wasn't there and don't even know what went on), I'm curious why you would assume the exact Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141397644702151882006-03-03T10:54:00.000-04:002006-03-03T10:54:00.000-04:00Brother Adam,My every intention is to get people i...Brother Adam,<BR/><BR/>My every intention is to get people into a church and growing, so don't worry. I haven't said anywhere the contrary.<BR/><BR/>Haha, no brother, I'm not a Calvinist. And let's not negate the fact that we all are responsible for building ourselves up in the Lord. It isn't that God's workings in us supersedes our own workings, but works together, though yes... without God we Elihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08568073345901129214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141326406643841492006-03-02T15:06:00.000-04:002006-03-02T15:06:00.000-04:00This will probably be my last post here. I don't w...This will probably be my last post here. I don't want anyone to think I'm a debate-seeker and/or being unreasonably offensive. And since brother Eli is the host of this blog, I choose not further muddy his waters by provoking anyone else. He seems to have enough of that already without my two cents being added! That being said, I'd like to answer some personally directed questions. And I'll try Brother Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14020844153184654815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141321189641516652006-03-02T13:39:00.000-04:002006-03-02T13:39:00.000-04:00Eli,you said:Burdened,Brother, I'm not going to ar...Eli,<BR/><BR/>you said:<BR/>Burdened,<BR/><BR/>Brother, I'm not going to argue with you about George Whitefield's ministry. I think the fruit speaks for itself. And also, John the Baptist was a camel-skin wearing locust and honey eater man in the wilderness. I believe the Bible is perfectly correct in it's description of John and his message. And are we not also called to "make a straight path Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141318965768988592006-03-02T13:02:00.000-04:002006-03-02T13:02:00.000-04:00Lord Jesus, please give us all grace to listen and...Lord Jesus, please give us all grace to listen and understand one another.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Burdened,<BR/><BR/>Brother, I'm not going to argue with you about George Whitefield's ministry. I think the fruit speaks for itself. And also, John the Baptist was a camel-skin wearing locust and honey eater man in the wilderness. I believe the Bible is perfectly correct in it's description of John and his Elihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08568073345901129214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141311812935962892006-03-02T11:03:00.000-04:002006-03-02T11:03:00.000-04:00Eli,I think that Logic, Nick and Jedd all have exc...Eli,<BR/><BR/>I think that Logic, Nick and Jedd all have excellent points. As do many of the other posters on this comment page. So, I will leave the carefully crafted scriptural arguments as they are.<BR/> <BR/>I would, however, like to offer a few "gut" reactions to your site, if I may. Eli, I have always been extremely concerned with your "ministries" that I have seen only a small part of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141278304581957242006-03-02T01:45:00.000-04:002006-03-02T01:45:00.000-04:00Eli,Have you become accountable to a local church ...Eli,<BR/><BR/>Have you become accountable to a local church yet? Are the new converts being baptized and discipled? We're called to preach, we're also called to baptize and disciple... how are these elements incorporated into your ministry?<BR/><BR/>I have a question:<BR/><BR/>Do you think that "ceremonial foods" in Hebrews 13:9 may mean any legalistic works designed to bring oneself honor Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141277569849073132006-03-02T01:32:00.000-04:002006-03-02T01:32:00.000-04:00Hey Rev. West... Did you order your divinity degre...Hey Rev. West... <BR/>Did you order your divinity degree on the internet? Where's your primary source for claiming Jesus is the most hated guy of all time?<BR/><BR/>The more you speak the more you reveal your justified-by-works dogmatism. Do you know what grace is?<BR/><BR/>As a follow up to your Mark 16:15 reference, since we're going to take things literally (as you claim we should), do the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141261421956465542006-03-01T21:03:00.000-04:002006-03-01T21:03:00.000-04:00rev. paul west,I'm curious: To whom specifically a...rev. paul west,<BR/><BR/>I'm curious: To whom specifically are you referring when you say "effeminate believers," "armchair theologians," and "lukewarm servants"?<BR/><BR/>-jeddAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141261098047597332006-03-01T20:58:00.000-04:002006-03-01T20:58:00.000-04:00Nick,Good post. I think that the issue lies in no...Nick,<BR/>Good post. I think that the issue lies in not being able to understand argumentation. Our arguments are no from Satan. Our arguments should, if anything, cause you to think and become better for it. It is very ignorant to respond to debates by insult. Very unprofessional and, if i should say, very unChrist-like. If you aren't prepared to listen to reason Rev, I suggest you get Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141260201740994212006-03-01T20:43:00.000-04:002006-03-01T20:43:00.000-04:00"Jesus was and is the most hated individual. . ." ..."Jesus was and is the most hated individual. . ." Granted he is not liked by some but that claim is incredibly unfounded. Where is your source/reasoning for that? That Rev, is ridiculous. I think if you polled 1000 people, Jesus would not even be in the top 900 mentioned as who they hate most. <BR/><BR/>Debate within Eli's blog should not be seen as Satan coming after him. Problems arise when Nicholas Coateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14420273979952267651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141252753671065912006-03-01T18:39:00.000-04:002006-03-01T18:39:00.000-04:00Newsflash!! Newsflash!!The pure gospel is the most...Newsflash!! Newsflash!!<BR/><BR/>The pure gospel is the most offensive, hated message this world will ever hear. Jesus Christ was and is the most hated individual this world will ever know. Consequently, the preacher who takes Mark 16:15 literally will be castigated by the world. There is no middle ground. He will be absolutely loved and encouraged OR rebuked and discouraged ( usually under the Brother Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14020844153184654815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141248728785565702006-03-01T17:32:00.000-04:002006-03-01T17:32:00.000-04:00Eli,Hi again. I apologize if I have implied that I...Eli,<BR/><BR/>Hi again. I apologize if I have implied that I don't like what you are doing. Perhaps you misunderstood me. Or perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I am a fan of repentance. Any time that happens, like, as I mentioned in my first post (1:24 PM), you say that it happened in "Salvation in the Streets!" (Feb. 17), then I am glad. I hope it happens again. I am not against things that bear Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141244061922556342006-03-01T16:14:00.000-04:002006-03-01T16:14:00.000-04:00Eli,you stated, "I am being criticized for my tact...Eli,<BR/><BR/>you stated, "I am being criticized for my tactics... yet what I am doing is extremely tame compared to men like Whitefield and John Baptist... I wonder how my critics would react to them?"<BR/><BR/>I have to comment on Whitefield's ministry. Many scholars have debated as to whether Whitefield was merely using the sociological mindframe of 16th century New England as an anchor for Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141240759454872372006-03-01T15:19:00.000-04:002006-03-01T15:19:00.000-04:00I am being criticized for my tactics... yet what I...I am being criticized for my tactics... yet what I am doing is extremely tame compared to men like Whitefield and John Baptist... I wonder how my critics would react to them? All I know is I have been told by the Lord to do this, and as I go I am learning; adding and taking away what works and what doesn't. But just because a few people get upset with me doesn't nullify the scores of people that Elihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08568073345901129214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141233846085841762006-03-01T13:24:00.000-04:002006-03-01T13:24:00.000-04:00I think burdened and Nick make some very good poin...I think burdened and Nick make some very good points. Though I am reluctant to say so, I especially liked Jane's post. From my own experience with non-believers, her's is a very common attitude towards this style of evangelism, and I wager that the vast majority of non-believers would echo her comments. I think we as believers ought to take to heart her comments and bear them in mind in our Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141231437688562362006-03-01T12:43:00.000-04:002006-03-01T12:43:00.000-04:00This is more a comment for Jenni Rayne.I admit I d...This is more a comment for Jenni Rayne.<BR/>I admit I don't know you, or what you believe. However, Eli is a Christian, therefore he believes what the Bible says. And if you read the Bible, you will find things like "...It is a priviledge to suffer for Christ.." Philipians 2, and all kinds of stories where the blood of the Martyrs, and the suffering of christians, opens up huge doors to the Ben Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02799366091637738206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17267677.post-1141162027155579082006-02-28T17:27:00.000-04:002006-02-28T17:27:00.000-04:00Just a tip from someone who doesn't believe in wha...Just a tip from someone who doesn't believe in what you believe... I would be 100 % more inclined to listen to you, if you were not standing on a box yelling at me. I listened to your recording of you preaching before, and all I can say is that I was repulsed. Repulsed not by what you were saying (because I knew I wouldn't agree with you anyway, but wanted to see what your message was about) but Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com